Resend X 2: Hosting meal at Henry's Hunan Restaurant?

Michael Paoli Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu
Tue Jul 31 22:09:57 PDT 2007 

Sorry I didn't get back to you a bit sooner.

Yes, ... sounds like a pretty reasonable plan.

My estimate/guestimate of BADies at Henry's (and with circumstances
similar to last time with LinuxWorld Expo) of 25, however, isn't
with dinner being provided for free.

Free dinner may increase the turnout - perhaps fairly significantly.
Also, ... wouldn't be particularly "fair" to have monitoring SIG and/or
BayLISA invite (more-or-less) "all comers" for free right next to BAD
and not cover BAD for free (or close to it, at least).

I'd guestimate, with all the goings on at/around LinuxWorld Expo,
even "free" dinner wouldn't swell the total crowd beyond Henry's
dining capacity (with suitable notice so they can staff for it).

I'd also guestimate even with an offer of free dinner to all
BADies - and with similar promotion of it at LinuxWorld Expo (even
mentioning it's free) would still probably less than double the
total turnout of BAD folks.  By exactly how much it would "swell" the
attendance I could only guess ... but I might think somewhere in the
range of 25 to 35 "BAD" folks?  We might draw a fair number of "extra"
folks from LinuxWorld Expo - particularly if dinner is and is mentioned
as free - but again, there are competing events, it's not *right* next
to LinuxWorld (though pretty conveniently close), it's after the BoF
sessions, not right after the Exhibition hall closes for the day, etc.,
etc.

Perhaps you and/or Jennifer can whip up an RSVP system, and "guarantee" the
first N number of people (associated with whichever group, and up to
such-and-such date/time) to RSVP are "guaranteed" a spot for free dinner
... might work well to at least use the actual RSVPs to guestimate/estimate
total turnout.  We could also guestimate how many "extra" folks we'd
pull in from LinuxWorld.  At LinuxWorld Expo - could also give out
separate "coupons"/"tickets" for free dinner - that would also provide
some type of estimate (not all folks picking such up would show up to
"redeem" then, ... but the number actually picked up might also provide
another useful data point for estimating likely turnout).

Let me/us know your thoughts, ... but sounds like it could work quite
well for all.  Also, if this goes on a BayLISA and/or Monitoring SIG
list that's publicly archived, let me/us know so I can get the relevant
URL(s) on the BAD list, so folks can cross-check planning
and discussion and such if/as applicable.

I'd guestimate BAD folks wouldn't mind dinner being free.  I suppose if
any of them object to that part of it, they could always pay for their
dinner if they feel so inclined.

Also, "banquet"? ... actually, Henry's handles quite a large lunch crowd
on a weekdaily basis.  Probably don't need to do anything all that different
than their regular handling of food orders - especially if the "meeting" will
run 90 minutes or more (they generally turn tables over in under 60 minutes
at lunch time - and that's with the place being packed).  With "larger"
bunches of folks there for lunch or dinner (from half a dozen up to at least
24 or so ... probably scales fairly well past that), generally have folks
order about one entree per person - plus some moderate mix of rice,
soup, and appetizers (e.g. a large rice and a large soup per round table
of about 8 people, and an order or two of appetizers) ... that works out
to be about the right amount of food for lunch or dinner.  Can always
order a bit more if food seems to be running short.  Also, the way the
tables work out, and things are easy to share around a table, if everyone
orders a dish they're interested in at their table, and want to share and
try other stuff too, everyone gets a pretty good interesting mix of stuff
to try (and if they don't want to share, they just snag the dish they ordered
when it arrives, and help themselves first - taking all of it if they want).
Anyway, that type of "scheme" would probably work well all the way up to
their max. dinning capacity.  Might just negotiate some volume rate
(maybe get a bit of a discount off the list menu prices for over X number
of people or $$ at list price, and a prenegotiated gratuity %, and
payment terms (their might be a discount for cash at those volumes).
Anyway, ... just some thoughts (hopefully at least some of them are
useful :-)) ... can also guestimate worst case costs based on number
of people.  I think with tax and tip something around $15.00 per head
is pretty typical, ... should be fairly well under $20.00 per head, anyway.
Perhaps someone from BAD remembers what the $$ worked out to per person
last time (I don't think the menu has changed much - if at all since then).

Quoting Peter Mui <pmui at groundworkopensource.com>:

> Hi Michael:
> 
> I spoke to Jennifer Davis at BayLISA yesterday and she wanted to co- 
> locate the BayLISA LinuxWorld dinner at Henry's: this would be larger  
> than just the BayLISA Monitoring SIG.  Henry's seating capacity is  
> 220 so that should be OK.  I have been in contact with Henry's about  
> pricing for a banquet/reception, and I'm pretty sure we're going to  
> proceed with co-locating with Bay Area Debian there on that night.   
> At this point I'm offering to pay for the Bay Area Debian people too,  
> assuming your estimate of 25 people.
> 
> In the absence of hearing from you I'm going to proceed with this  
> plan.  Please let me know if you've got issues or concerns ASAP.
> 
> Thanks!  -Peter
> 
> Peter Mui, Manager, Open Source Strategy and Community
> GROUNDWORK Open Source, Inc.
> 139 Townsend Street, Suite 100
> San Francisco, CA 94107-1946
> +1 415 992 4573 (direct)
> +1 415 947 0684 (fax)
> pmui at groundworkopensource.com
> 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> > From: Peter Mui <pmui at groundworkopensource.com>
> > Date: July 25, 2007 9:56:14 AM PDT
> > To: Michael Paoli <Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu>
> > Subject: Resend: Hosting meal at Henry's Hunan Restaurant?
> >
> > Hi Michael:
> >
> > I emailed a couple of days ago floating a trail balloon about  
> > GroundWork hosting the joint BAD - Monitoring SIG dinner at Henry's  
> > Hunan and never heard back.  What do you think of this idea?
> >
> > -Peter
> >
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> >> From: Peter Mui <pmui at groundworkopensource.com>
> >> Date: July 23, 2007 1:31:15 PM PDT
> >> To: Michael Paoli <Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu>
> >> Subject: Hosting meal at Henry's Hunan Restaurant?
> >>
> >> Hi Michael:
> >>
> >> Do do have a phone number where you can be reached?  I wanted to  
> >> run an idea by you of my company (GroundWork Open Source) paying  
> >> for food at Henry's for everyone, and I thought it would be better  
> >> to talk about it first (concerns about cost, who might attend,  
> >> etc..)  I don't want to put this out to either of our lists just yet.
> >>
> >> I'll be in Portland for OSCON after today, I'll try to reach you  
> >> from there if we don't talk today.
> >>
> >> Thanks, -Peter
> >>
> >> Peter Mui, Manager, Open Source Strategy and Community
> >> GROUNDWORK Open Source, Inc.
> >> 139 Townsend Street, Suite 100
> >> San Francisco, CA 94107-1946
> >> +1 415 992 4573 (direct)
> >> +1 415 947 0684 (fax)
> >> pmui at groundworkopensource.com
> >>
> >>
> >> Begin forwarded message:
> >>> From: Michael Paoli <Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu>
> >>> Date: July 21, 2007 9:56:43 PM PDT
> >>> To: bad at bad.debian.net
> >>> Cc: Peter Mui <pmui at groundworkopensource.com>
> >>> Subject: Sure, let the BAD list know (looks like BALISA  
> >>> monitoring SIG to also be at Henry's Hunan Restaurant, S.F.  
> >>> 2007-08-08)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Peter Mui & I have been in some e-mail communications about
> >>> BAYLISA monitoring SIG also being at Henry's Hunan Restaurant
> >>> at the same time as the BAD meeting.  I think our thinking is
> >>> along the lines of not technically being a "joint"/combined
> >>> meeting so much, but rather both groups meeting at same time
> >>> and venue.  Anyway, the e-mail "thread" should catch folks up
> >>> on that pretty well.  I've also added a few more in-line items
> >>> in response to Peter's most recent e-mail to me (and maybe even
> >>> fixed a typo or so).
> >>>
> >>> Also, sounds like BAYLISA monitoring SIG meeting on 2007-08-08
> >>> would be more of an informal meet/greet/chat style more simiar to  
> >>> BAD
> >>> meetings, rather than some formal presentation (I believe the  
> >>> BAYLISA
> >>> monitoring SIG will have a BoF at LinuxWorld; the BAYLISA  
> >>> monitoring SIG
> >>> meeting on 2007-08-08 will likely be even much less formal and
> >>> specifically focused than their BoF session).
> >>>
> >>> Quoting Peter Mui <pmui at groundworkopensource.com>:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Michael:
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jul 19, 2007, at 9:00 AM, Michael Paoli wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Sounds like a general plan ... :-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Do you mind if I pass this along to the BAD list for folks to
> >>>>> possibly comment upon / discuss?  The BAD list is
> >>>>> publicly archived, so you can also check on any resultant  
> >>>>> discussion.
> >>>>> BAD site, list, and archives:
> >>>>> http://bad.debian.net/
> >>>>> http://bad.debian.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bad
> >>>>> http://bad.debian.net/list/
> >>>>> If the SIG has a suitable (e.g. "talk"/"discussion") list or such,
> >>>>> I've no objection if you want to put most or all of this e-mail/
> >>>>> exchange
> >>>>> on there.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sure, please let the BAD list people know we're considering this.
> >>>> I'll try to track the conversation but may not get to it: if for  
> >>>> some
> >>>> reason the consensus quickly occurs to NOT have a joint meeting  
> >>>> send
> >>>> me an out-of-band communication to make sure I know.
> >>>>
> >>>> Q: Aren't you involved with BALUG too?  Do you want to invite  
> >>>> them to
> >>>> this meeting as well?
> >>>
> >>> Yes, I'm rather/quite involved with BALUG too.  For better or worse,
> >>> BALUG has a quite fixed meeting schedule and venue, and I think
> >>> consensus/plurality opinion is (or likely would be) not to change
> >>> that.  However, I/we can also mention on the BALUG "talk" list,
> >>> the information about the BAD and Monitoring SIG stuff happening
> >>> at Henry's Hunan Restaurant (and stuff Debian, BAD, monitoring  
> >>> SIG, etc.
> >>> are doing at/around LinuxWorld Expo).  Closer to LinuxWorld Expo, I
> >>> (or someone from BALUG) can probably also put out an item to the
> >>> "announce" list - wouldn't have so much detail, but can have
> >>> brief (sentance to short paragraph) synopsis of various goings
> >>> on - with URLs folks can follow to get more detailed information
> >>> if they're interested.  I'd guestimate some moderate number of
> >>> BALUG folks would join the BAD or monitoring SIG happenings at
> >>> Henry's with mention of it on BALUG list(s).
> >>>
> >>>>> Anyway, I was thinking (if it wasn't already obvious or implied),
> >>>>> BAD meeting - since it's already announced, scheduled, reservation
> >>>>> in and all that, I'd say I/we aren't inclined to change timing or
> >>>>> location on that.
> >>>>
> >>>> OK, let's stick with Henry's.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Probably much simpler to have "two separate meetings" - that just
> >>>>> "happen to be" :-) at the same venue, same or overlapping time,
> >>>>> and probably physically positioned to be adjacent - or at least
> >>>>> conveniently close together.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> BAD has generally never done an RSVP type system (we've never  
> >>>>> required
> >>>>> one for our meetings - though sometimes the organizer of a meeting
> >>>>> will suggest "RSVP yes" e-mails to help project attendance size).
> >>>>> Also, since BAD has done meeting at this venue before, and very
> >>>>> similar timing and circumstances, we probably have a rather to  
> >>>>> quite
> >>>>> good estimate of probable attendance.
> >>>>
> >>>> So how many BAD attendees would you expect for this?
> >>>
> >>> I'd guestimate right around 24 or 25 BADies.  I think that's how  
> >>> many
> >>> BAD folks we had 2 years ago when we did almost exactly the same
> >>> thing - and we'll probably promote/publicise it in pretty much  
> >>> the same
> >>> way, ... so I'd guestimate a rather similar number (probably  
> >>> +-25% of that
> >>> guestimate anyway).
> >>>
> >>>>> For the monitoring SIG, there may be more variability/ 
> >>>>> unpredictability
> >>>>> in meeting size - particularly with LWE, promotions, Henry's venue
> >>>>> rather
> >>>>> than the SIGs regular venue, etc., ... perhaps the SIG would  
> >>>>> want to
> >>>>> do an RSVP system (or at least recommend/suggest that folks  
> >>>>> RSVP) to
> >>>>> help on planning and reservation sizing and such.  (may not be
> >>>>> indicative of what the SIG would get, but when I suggested RSVP  
> >>>>> for
> >>>>> BAD about 2 years ago at Henry's, only a very small percentage of
> >>>>> those that came sent an RSVP ... but monitoring SIG may be  
> >>>>> different -
> >>>>> I think you generally suggest an RSVP? ... so the habits/practice
> >>>>> of attendees might be a bit different regarding RSVPs).
> >>>>
> >>>> Yeah, but I don't get many RSVPs either, say, less than 5, and then
> >>>> 25 people show up.  But it's a good advance indicator of the
> >>>> popularity of an event.
> >>>
> >>> Yup, ... I think last time I asked for RSVPs, only a very small  
> >>> percentage
> >>> of those that attended had RSVPed.  Nevertheless (especially if  
> >>> one's done
> >>> RSVPs before and knows about the turnout/response ratio) it may  
> >>> be useful
> >>> to put in an RSVP system/mechanism to guestimate likely  
> >>> attendance size.
> >>> I'm not doing this for the BAD meeting (figuring the atendance  
> >>> from 2 years
> >>> ago is likely a much better estimate than I'd get extrapolating  
> >>> from RSVPs).
> >>>
> >>>>> Timing doesn't have to precisely line up between the two meetings.
> >>>>> I timed the BAD meeting to conveniently follow the LWE BoF  
> >>>>> sessions.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'd like the SIG to start the same time as the BAD meeting. They
> >>>> don't kick you out of the BoF rooms.  So even though the BoFs are
> >>>> scheduled from 6:00-7:00 last year ours ran over (not an issue with
> >>>> our BoF this year as we're on Tuesday, but something to think  
> >>>> about.)
> >>>
> >>> I don't recall for sure if it was LinuxWorld, or some other  
> >>> event, ... but
> >>> eventually they "chase" you out of the BoF rooms ... whether  
> >>> that's shortly
> >>> after the official BoF ending time, or quite a bit later may  
> >>> depend on
> >>> various factors (e.g. do they have to reconfigure the room for  
> >>> the next
> >>> morning's sessions).  Anyway, the BAD meeting start time is well  
> >>> set to
> >>> dovetail with the *scheduled* ending time of the BoF sessions.
> >>>
> >>>>> There was mention of Henry's closing at 9:00 P.M. - I don't think
> >>>>> that's
> >>>>> an issue (never been particularly "chased" out of there) ... I
> >>>>> think thats
> >>>>> just when they close the kitchen down and such.  Also, BAD  
> >>>>> meetings
> >>>>> typically span about 2 hours, ... we usually don't schedule an
> >>>>> "end" time
> >>>>> explicitly, but the meetings usually fade out relatively  
> >>>>> quickly at
> >>>>> somewhere around roughly 2 hours after start of meeting ... might
> >>>>> typically
> >>>>> run a bit longer for larger meetings - at least statistically on
> >>>>> average.
> >>>>
> >>>> OK
> >>>>
> >>>>> With LWE & related events, though LWE will definitely bring  
> >>>>> more folks
> >>>>> into proximity, there are also other competing events (e.g. vendor
> >>>>> invite
> >>>>> events) that will also compete to at least some extent, with  
> >>>>> BAD and
> >>>>> monitoring SIG stuff (you may want to keep that in mind for SIG
> >>>>> attendance guestimates - BAD still had one of its (if not the)  
> >>>>> largest
> >>>>> meetings in quite a while - about 1.5 to 2.5 times the size of our
> >>>>> more
> >>>>> "typical" BAD meeting sizes, when we did this about 2 years ago).
> >>>>
> >>>> About how many people were at that BAD meeting?
> >>>
> >>> Noted above - right around 24 or 25 BAD folks.
> >>>
> >>>>> If you do manage to check out (visit) Henry's - do note that  
> >>>>> they're
> >>>>> *much* more crowded (generally packed plus bit of a wait) for
> >>>>> typical
> >>>>> weekday lunches, and relatively sparsely occupied (typically about
> >>>>> 20% of
> >>>>> dining capacity) for typical evening weekday dinners.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Also, Henry's has a "back" dining section that's a bit  
> >>>>> separated off -
> >>>>> can probably hold at least 25 people, ... perhaps closer to 40  
> >>>>> or 50
> >>>>> (I forget how many tables in that section; their larger tables
> >>>>> typically
> >>>>> seat about 8).  Most of the rest of the restaurant has the tables
> >>>>> pretty
> >>>>> much all around one common area (though some at the very front are
> >>>>> slightly
> >>>>> separated off).  I'd guestimate for size of "combined" BAD+SIG  
> >>>>> we'd
> >>>>> probably
> >>>>> just occupy a large "chunk"/portion of the "main" dining area (if
> >>>>> the "back"
> >>>>> section isn't large enough, we might not all fit in that area -  
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> "back" section is also relatively separated off (there's a  
> >>>>> dividing
> >>>>> wall).
> >>>>> I think also, even with our largest combined attendance estimates,
> >>>>> we'd
> >>>>> probably still not account for more than 60% of the restaurant's
> >>>>> seating
> >>>>> capacity - which could be well accommodated in the main dining
> >>>>> section.
> >>>>
> >>>> OK, I'll try to check Henry's out.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers, -Peter
> >>>>
> >>>> Peter Mui, Open Source Community Advocate
> >>>> GROUNDWORK Open Source, Inc.
> >>>> 139 Townsend Street, Suite 100
> >>>> San Francisco, CA 94107-1946
> >>>> +1 415 992 4573 (direct)
> >>>> +1 415 947 0684 (fax)
> >>>> pmui at groundworkopensource.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Anyway, just my thoughts/observations/guestimates/$0.02 worth  
> >>>>> or so/
> >>>>> etc.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Quoting Peter Mui <pmui at groundworkopensource.com>:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Michael:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks for your email reply, see my responses inline below:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Jul 17, 2007, at 7:19 AM, Michael Paoli wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Were you thinking at Henry's, or ???
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Yes, Henry's.  Or I can offer our offices (training room and  
> >>>>>> company
> >>>>>> cafeteria) as an alternative, and GroundWork will spring for food
> >>>>>> (pizza) for everyone in that case.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Henry's Hunan can handle quite a number of people ... I think  
> >>>>>>> there
> >>>>>>> lunchtime capacity is probably around a hundred or more - and  
> >>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>> tend to be packed (plus a wait on top of that) for lunchtime
> >>>>>>> weekdays on regular business days.  They tend to not be  
> >>>>>>> nearly so
> >>>>>>> crowded in the evening (typically at or below 20% of  
> >>>>>>> capacity), so
> >>>>>>> they can probably accomodate quite a number of people in the  
> >>>>>>> evening
> >>>>>>> (with suitable advance notice/reservation so they can staff
> >>>>>>> appropriately for the timeslot).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm happy with Henry's or GroundWork's offices, and I'm currently
> >>>>>> conflicted about it:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> GroundWork's offices: familiar to SIG attendees, free food, I  
> >>>>>> know
> >>>>>> how to run a good event here
> >>>>>> Henry's: Close to LinuxWorld/ Moscone, change of pace
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> How many folks typically attend the monitoring SIG?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 25-40 people: how many people usually attend BAD meetings?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Any guestimate what that might likely swell to in conjunction  
> >>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>> LinuxWorld?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> No idea, I guess it would depend on how much we (GroundWork  
> >>>>>> and BAD)
> >>>>>> promoted it.  I imagine I could limit the SIG attendance to 50  
> >>>>>> people
> >>>>>> easily, and I could push it to 75.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We'll have a "Monitoring All-Stars" BoF at LinuxWorld the night
> >>>>>> before: just mentioning it there could have a 2X effect on  
> >>>>>> attendance
> >>>>>> the following night.  We have a booth in the exhibits:  
> >>>>>> mentioning it
> >>>>>> there could have another 2X-4X effect.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The "form"/structure of BAD meetings is pretty informal, ...
> >>>>>>> essentially no set agenda - most notably no talks/presentations
> >>>>>>> explicity lined up (folks tend to just meet/hangout/greet - and
> >>>>>>> often
> >>>>>>> do keysignings).  Perhaps rather than a (formally) joint  
> >>>>>>> meeting,
> >>>>>>> perhaps "just" have both meetings being quite adjacent at the  
> >>>>>>> same
> >>>>>>> place?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Yeah, that works too.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Is the monitoring SIG for August mostly planned to be just  
> >>>>>>> meet and
> >>>>>>> greet and special guests, or is it more planned around
> >>>>>>> presentations/talks?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Meet n' greet: we have the BoF the night before, and it's too  
> >>>>>> little
> >>>>>> time to have everyone do presentations on their projects.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In terms of location, I was definitely thinking Henry's (already
> >>>>>>> announced that for BAD and have the reservation in - and also  
> >>>>>>> very
> >>>>>>> conveniently close to LinuxWorld).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Yes, our offices are farther away, a block from AT&T ballpark:
> >>>>>> Henry's proximity to Moscone is a big plus.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> But two things:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 1) Henry's closes at 9PM: are they willing to stay open later?
> >>>>>> 2) LinuxWorld will be having BoFs and parties that night too: is
> >>>>>> there any provision for people attending this and those too?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'll try to check out Henry's in the near future.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Anyway, ... let me know your thoughts.  If it sounds like it  
> >>>>>>> would
> >>>>>>> likely "fit" I could also mention it on the BAD list - folks may
> >>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>> useful ideas on how to optimize a "joint" (or adjacent) meeting
> >>>>>>> at Henry's.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> OK: I'd like to do it.  Some of our project leads are from  
> >>>>>> overseas,
> >>>>>> so I'd like them to get a feel for the US linux enthusiast  
> >>>>>> scene, and
> >>>>>> this joint dinner would be a great way to do it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sounds like you have quite a lineup for the monitoring SIG in
> >>>>>>> August.  I'd guestimate BAD folks would be interested - or at  
> >>>>>>> least
> >>>>>>> wouldn't mind, if the monitoring SIG was also at the restaurant
> >>>>>>> at/through the same timeframe - but again, just my guess.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Yes, I think it's a very good fit.  Let's keep talking about  
> >>>>>> this.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Q: how does BAD typically handle paying for the food?  Do you  
> >>>>>> get one
> >>>>>> big check and split it or: does everyone just order what they  
> >>>>>> want
> >>>>>> and pay ala carte?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -Peter
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Quoting Peter Mui <pmui at groundworkopensource.com>:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I saw your announcement about the BAD meeting August 8.  May I
> >>>>>>>> propose that we combine this meeting with the BayLISA  
> >>>>>>>> Monitoring
> >>>>>>>> SIG
> >>>>>>>> and have a joint meeting?  Here's why:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 1) The Monitoring SIG normally meets the second Wednesday of  
> >>>>>>>> every
> >>>>>>>> month anyway.
> >>>>>>>> 2) We'd be featuring some very special guests at the SIG that
> >>>>>>>> LinuxWorld week:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Ian Berry - Cacti (We're actually hosting the whole Cacti
> >>>>>>>> development
> >>>>>>>> team of five people)
> >>>>>>>> Howard Jones - PHP-Weathermap
> >>>>>>>> Tobi Oetiker - RRDtool, MRTG, Smokeping
> >>>>>>>> Remo Rickli - NeDi
> >>>>>>>> Matt Massie - Ganglia
> >>>>>>>> Alex Russell - Dojo toolkit
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> At least some of these people could be present for the dinner
> >>>>>>>> meeting.  It'd make for quite a show.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Let me know if this interests you.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Cheers, -Peter
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Peter Mui, Open Source Community Advocate
> >>>>>>>> GROUNDWORK Open Source, Inc.
> >>>>>>>> 139 Townsend Street, Suite 100
> >>>>>>>> San Francisco, CA 94107-1946
> >>>>>>>> +1 415 992 4573 (direct)
> >>>>>>>> +1 415 947 0684 (fax)
> >>>>>>>> pmui at groundworkopensource.com
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
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