From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu Thu Jun 11 04:49:12 2015 From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 04:49:12 -0700 Subject: BALUG: Tu 2015-06-16: Leap Seconds - and other time(ly) topics; & other BALUG News ... Message-ID: <20150611044912.636428j8r12pj2qs@webmail.rawbw.com> BALUG: Tu 2015-06-16: Leap Seconds - and other time(ly) topics; & other BALUG News ... ------------------------------ items, details further below: BALUG meeting 2015-06-16: Leap Seconds - and other time(ly) topics giveaways (Books/publications, CDs/DVDs, ...) help BALUG! :-) - venue, volunteering, ... Twitter https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org ------------------------------ For our 2015-06-16 BALUG meeting: Leap Second[1]s - and other time[2](ly) topics We have a discussion topic for this meeting, even if we don't have a "speaker", we do have folks at least rather to quite familiar with leap seconds and most matters time(ly) for Linux/Unix/BSD - and we're not limited to only discussions on and about leap seconds and time. Are you ready for the leap second coming up on the last day of this month? 2015-06-30T23:59:58+0000 2015-06-30T16:59:58-0700 2015-06-30T23:59:59+0000 2015-06-30T16:59:59-0700 2015-06-30T23:59:60+0000 2015-06-30T16:59:60-0700 2015-07-01T00:00:00+0000 2015-06-30T17:00:00-0700 2015-07-01T00:00:01+0000 2015-06-30T17:00:01-0700 2015-07-01T00:00:02+0000 2015-06-30T17:00:02-0700 Will the world end? Will all computers and The Internet crash? Will you have to fix your clocks? Will there be glitches, or even so much as a hiccup? Or is it all hype, or mostly so - or not (entirely)? What are these leap seconds anyway? Can we get rid of them? What about NTP[3]? What about other time matters for Linux/Unix/BSD? How does Linux/Unix/BSD deal with timezones and Standard/Daylight/Summer time anyway, and what about when the rule/law changes, and how do leap seconds fit into all that anyway? Come hear about and discuss these, and other timely topics at this month's BALUG meeting. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_second 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_time#Leap_seconds 3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Time_Protocol So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to: rsvp at balug.org **Why RSVP??** Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help BALUG and our venue plan for the meeting and accommodations, so please let us know. 6:30pm Tuesday, June 16th, 2015 2015-06-16 Henry's Hunan Restaurant 110 Natoma St. (between 2nd & New Montgomery) San Francisco, CA 94105-3704 1-415-546-4999 http://www.henryshunanrestaurant.com/ Easy Transit/Parking Access: short walk from BART, MUNI, parking Trip planning: http://www.511.org/ Delicious Hunan cuisine and reasonably priced. Meeting Details... Cost/Dining: The meetings are always free, but dinner is not (unless you are our guest speaker, in which case we also treat you to dinner). For Henry's Hunan Restaurant, if folks are agreeable, we'll share and dine "family" style, and split up the costs, and typical cost per person including tax and tip (but not including beverages beyond complementary tea) would be in the $13.00 to $17.50 range, and commonly around $15.00 to $16.50. Cash may be preferred to ease splitting up the check. One can also specifically order the dish(es) one needs/prefers (e.g. for dietary considerations) - and we also commonly order some dish(es) that may meet various dietary considerations) (e.g. vegetarian, non-pork, ...). Please arrive by 7:00 P.M., we expect to order entrees at that time, and may order appetizer(s) and/or soup(s) anytime after 6:30 P.M. ------------------------------ We typically have various giveaway items at BALUG meetings. We'll likely have at least the below plus additional items. Books! - have a look here: http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:books_and_publications if interested make specific mention on our BALUG-talk list: http://lists.balug.org/listinfo.cgi/balug-talk-balug.org CDs/DVDs/ISOs, etc. - have a peek here: http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc We may also be able to "burn" images per request or copy to USB flash, etc. Donations of blank or +-RW media, USB flash, or funding thereof, also appreciated. See the above URL for details (and the inventory (qty.) of what we specifically have "burned" and available on-hand does also frequently change). ------------------------------ help BALUG! :-) - volunteering, venue ... You can do useful and cool stuff volunteering to help BALUG, e.g. following up on many leads for possible venue, among many other possibilities. Quite a variety of opportunities to help BALUG. Come talk to us at a meeting and/or drop us a note at: balug-contact at balug.org These opportunities may include, among other possibilities: o venue arrangement (e.g. followup on potential leads on-site coordination/preparations), see also: http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-admin-balug.org/2014-July/001504.html o chief/assistant cat herder o assist on speaker coordination/procurement, etc. o assist on publicity o Linux Systems Administration (e.g. do/assist/learn, with/under some quite experienced and skilled Linux systems administrators). o webmaster, assistant webmaster, designer, graphic artist o archivist/history/retrieval/etc. o and other various/miscellaneous tasks BALUG "ought" to be doing or would be good to do (feel free to suggest ideas!) ------------------------------ Twitter - you can also follow BALUG on Twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org ------------------------------ Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org ------------------------------ From linux.top.gun at gmail.com Mon Jun 15 05:29:29 2015 From: linux.top.gun at gmail.com (Linux Top Gun) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 14:29:29 +0200 Subject: DD moving to bay area Message-ID: Please excuse the obfuscated email address, I didn't want this potential move to be advertised too publicly just yet. There are heaps of web sites with information about moving to the bay area or San Francisco although not so many focus on the possibilities for a developer. These just weren't helpful for me so I'm writing here to see if anybody can help. Here are some questions I've got: Sky-high rents: agreed, SF and bay area rents are higher than LA or other parts of CA. Sky-high rent doesn't put me off as long as there is a good prospect of a sky-high salary. Who is really paying $4000/month for a 2-bed apartment in central SF? Are developers really paid enough to pay those rents? Are these apartments only suitable for power couples where both partners are earning above-average incomes or people like doctors who have weekend/overtime pay? I've lived in cheap cities and expensive cities and I've always found a developer salary (net of tax) that was at least three times the rent. Does this hold true in SF today? If a short commute (using any means of transport, walking, car, bike, bus or train) is a primary concern for somebody, which locations are feasible? Who thinks it is better to live and work downtown? Are there other hotspots in the valley (or even further afield) where there are a range of job opportunities, shops, restaurants, other services and stuff all within 10-15 minutes of home? Or is this really impossible except for those people who already bought/rented a home in a desirable area when prices were lower? Is there a strong demand for consultant/freelance workers or companies insist on hiring developers as employees? Are there any recruitment agencies or contracting agencies that are known to be reliable or particularly good in understanding the strengths of free-software developers and finding suitable work for them? I have a preference for a role that allows me to engage with the free software community, collaborating on bug fixes and so on rather than just knowing how to download and use stuff. Can anybody comment on any companies or management contacts within companies that have positive views about this way of working or jobs with a specific focus on free software? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From debian at ldpreload.com Mon Jun 15 09:34:12 2015 From: debian at ldpreload.com (Geoffrey Thomas) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 12:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: DD moving to bay area In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: (Apologies for the discussion of salary, but it's unavoidable for a proper reply.) On Mon, 15 Jun 2015, Linux Top Gun wrote: > Sky-high rents: agreed, SF and bay area rents are higher than LA or > other parts of CA.  Sky-high rent doesn't put me off as long as there > is a good prospect of a sky-high salary. > > Who is really paying $4000/month for a 2-bed apartment in central SF? > Are developers really paid enough to pay those rents?  Are these apartments > only suitable for power couples where both partners are > earning above-average incomes or people like doctors who have > weekend/overtime pay? > > I've lived in cheap cities and expensive cities and I've always found > a developer salary (net of tax) that was at least three times the rent. > Does this hold true in SF today? In 2012, my straight-out-of-college offers in SFBA were all $95K, before negotiation, and without counting the Google offer that I didn't have the patience to wait for. I have heard rumors of good college grads being offered 2-3 times that amount. If you're working in the private sector as a software engineer/SRE/sysadmin, with experience, and you have an offer less than $100K, something is very wrong. (I did Debian packaging/debugging, which is a somewhat hard skillset to hire for, and got promoted up to $140K by a company that ultimately didn't have the money for it. So I imagine you can do better if you want to work at a better-funded company.) So assuming a post-tax salary of at least $72K as a nice round number, one-third of the monthly salary comes out to $2K. You can definitely find housing in the city for less than that, e.g. you could get the $4K 2BR you mentioned and split it with a housemate. You probably won't be able to find 1BR housing for that price, though I bet there are studios. My friends who live with housemates pay, I believe, somewhere from $800-$1500/month. If you can bump your price range up a bit for a 1BR, $2500 is probably doable in good areas, which gets you a $90K post-tax salary, which isn't uncommon at all. > If a short commute (using any means of transport, walking, car, bike, bus > or train) is a primary concern for somebody, which locations are > feasible?  Who thinks it is better to live and work downtown?  Are > there other hotspots in the valley (or even further afield) > where there are a range of job opportunities, shops, restaurants, other > services and stuff all within 10-15 minutes of home? > Or is this really impossible except for those people who already > bought/rented a home in a desirable area when prices were lower? In 2014 I lived in north Oakland, paying $1700/mo for a nice, new-construction 1BR. Part of why I moved there is that my employer opened an office in Emeryville, which was a short bike commute. But I could definitely find tons of shops, cafes, restaurants, groceries, and other businesses within a 15-minute walk or really a 5-minute bike ride, and given the geography and the lack of precipitation, biking is rarely a problem. The BART station was about that far away, at which point I could head into SF (with my bike) without too much difficulty. Berkeley was also an easy option, either by BART or bike. This area (sometimes called "NOBE", North Oakland/Berkeley/Emeryville) is getting increasingly popular, as is living in downtown Oakland close to BART, as a way to get larger or single-person apartments without the high rent. (Or houses, in fact, for some of my friends who have several years of savings.) Downtown Palo Alto is also nice and very walkable. However, it's harder to get to SF from Palo Alto, so I'd advise against it unless your employer is in that area of the Bay and you're not optimizing for access to the city. BART runs much more regularly between Oakland and SF, and even the transbay buses are more frequent and faster. -- Geoffrey Thomas https://ldpreload.com geofft at ldpreload.com From linux.top.gun at gmail.com Mon Jun 15 14:35:50 2015 From: linux.top.gun at gmail.com (Linux Top Gun) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 23:35:50 +0200 Subject: DD moving to bay area In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 6:34 PM, Geoffrey Thomas wrote: > (Apologies for the discussion of salary, but it's unavoidable for a proper > reply.) > > On Mon, 15 Jun 2015, Linux Top Gun wrote: > > Sky-high rents: agreed, SF and bay area rents are higher than LA or >> other parts of CA. Sky-high rent doesn't put me off as long as there >> is a good prospect of a sky-high salary. >> >> Who is really paying $4000/month for a 2-bed apartment in central SF? >> Are developers really paid enough to pay those rents? Are these >> apartments >> only suitable for power couples where both partners are >> earning above-average incomes or people like doctors who have >> weekend/overtime pay? >> >> I've lived in cheap cities and expensive cities and I've always found >> a developer salary (net of tax) that was at least three times the rent. >> Does this hold true in SF today? >> > > In 2012, my straight-out-of-college offers in SFBA were all $95K, before > negotiation, and without counting the Google offer that I didn't have the > patience to wait for. I have heard rumors of good college grads being > offered 2-3 times that amount. If you're working in the private sector as a > software engineer/SRE/sysadmin, with experience, and you have an offer less > than $100K, something is very wrong. (I did Debian packaging/debugging, > which is a somewhat hard skillset to hire for, and got promoted up to $140K > by a company that ultimately didn't have the money for it. So I imagine you > can do better if you want to work at a better-funded company.) > > So assuming a post-tax salary of at least $72K as a nice round number, > one-third of the monthly salary comes out to $2K. You can definitely find > housing in the city for less than that, e.g. you could get the $4K 2BR you > mentioned and split it with a housemate. You Its actually quite a few years since I left college and housemates behind, now married and we were ideally hoping to have a 2BR unit with one room to sleep in and another for a small office for hiding away all the computers. Do you think that is a reasonable thing to aspire to in SF itself or the ratio of salary/rent just doesn't make it viable? > probably won't be able to find 1BR housing for that price, though I bet > there are studios. My friends who live with housemates pay, I believe, > somewhere from $800-$1500/month. If you can bump your price range up a bit > for a 1BR, $2500 is probably doable in good areas, which gets you a $90K > post-tax salary, which isn't uncommon at all. > > If a short commute (using any means of transport, walking, car, bike, bus >> or train) is a primary concern for somebody, which locations are >> feasible? Who thinks it is better to live and work downtown? Are >> there other hotspots in the valley (or even further afield) >> where there are a range of job opportunities, shops, restaurants, other >> services and stuff all within 10-15 minutes of home? >> Or is this really impossible except for those people who already >> bought/rented a home in a desirable area when prices were lower? >> > > In 2014 I lived in north Oakland, paying $1700/mo for a nice, > new-construction 1BR. Part of why I moved there is that my employer opened > an office in Emeryville, which was a short bike commute. But I could > definitely find tons of shops, cafes, restaurants, groceries, and other > businesses within a 15-minute walk or really a 5-minute bike ride, and > given the geography and the lack of precipitation, biking is rarely a > problem. The BART station was about that far away, at which point I could > head into SF (with my bike) without too much difficulty. Berkeley was also > an easy option, either by BART or bike. This area (sometimes called "NOBE", > North Oakland/Berkeley/Emeryville) is getting increasingly popular, as is > living in downtown Oakland close to BART, as a way to get larger or > single-person apartments without the high rent. (Or houses, in fact, for > some of my friends who have several years of savings.) > > Downtown Palo Alto is also nice and very walkable. However, it's harder to > get to SF from Palo Alto, so I'd advise against it unless your employer is > in that area of the Bay and you're not optimizing for access to the city. > BART runs much more regularly between Oakland and SF, and even the transbay > buses are more frequent and faster. > > Thanks, that is great feedback, it will help a lot. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From togo at of.net Mon Jun 15 14:39:01 2015 From: togo at of.net (Tony Godshall) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 14:39:01 -0700 Subject: DD moving to bay area In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ... > Downtown Palo Alto is also nice and very walkable. However, it's harder to > get to SF from Palo Alto, so I'd advise against it unless your employer is > in that area of the Bay and you're not optimizing for access to the city. ... Actually, the Caltrain runs fast from Palo Alto to San Francisco during commute times- I think a peninsula commute to the tech-heavy bits of San Francisco is very doable, especially if you like to bike. Lots of people do it, both ways. From penguin at techbandit.com Mon Jun 15 15:55:29 2015 From: penguin at techbandit.com (Romel Jacinto) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 15:55:29 -0700 Subject: DD moving to bay area In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1434408929.2296344.296401465.36BD43FD@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Mon, Jun 15, 2015, at 14:39, Tony Godshall wrote: > > Actually, the Caltrain runs fast from Palo Alto to San Francisco during > commute times- I think a peninsula commute to the tech-heavy bits > of San Francisco is very doable, especially if you like to bike. Lots > of people do it, both ways. The SF2G bicycle community has good information on commuting from San Francisco to the Peninsula, including routes. The mileage for the routes they highlight is around 40 miles. I think most people who commute by bike do so in the morning and take Caltrain home to San Francisco. SF2G Bicycle Routes http://sf2g.com/routes.html -- Romel