From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu Fri Nov 7 23:58:23 2014 From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2014 23:58:23 -0800 Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT Bay Area Debian (BAD) meeting 7:15p W 2014-11-12 @ Chevys 201 3rd, SF Message-ID: <20141107235823.195316exi05wv4m8@webmail.rawbw.com> ANNOUNCEMENT Bay Area Debian (BAD) meeting 7:15p W 2014-11-12 @ Chevys 201 3rd, SF Who: all the BADies that want to and can What: Bay Area Debian (BAD) meeting When: 2014-11-12T19:15-0800 (7:15 P.M. PST) -- 'till whenever Where: Chevys Fresh Mex - Mexican Restaurant 201 3rd St. San Francisco, CA 94103 1-415-543-8060 http://chevys.com/ http://chevys.com/pdfs/MENU_SFD_093014.pdf Why: Because it's good to have a BAD meeting, cool thing to do, reasonably priced, decent food, and convenietly located relative to (a short walk from): Ubuntu Hour San Francisco http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/2939-ubuntu-hour-san-francisco/ (the above also handy if one wasn't sure what to do preceding the BAD meeting between 6pm and about 7pm). I'll also likely have the "usual suspects" of ISO images (if you have specific request(s), let me know). http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc That list will almost certainly be updated a bit more by the time of the BAD meeting. references: http://bad.debian.net/ http://bad.debian.net/shotgun_rules.txt http://bad.debian.net/pipermail/bad/ http://www.debian.org/ http://www.ubuntu.com/ http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-california/events/ From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu Fri Nov 14 12:07:38 2014 From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 12:07:38 -0800 Subject: BALUG: Tu 2014-11-18: Michael Paoli on Rockbox @ Henry's Hunan - 110 Natoma St. Message-ID: <20141114120738.16290ph06nevvu2o@webmail.rawbw.com> BALUG: Tu 2014-11-18: Michael Paoli on Rockbox @ Henry's Hunan - 110 Natoma St. ------------------------------ items, details further below: BALUG meeting 2014-11-18: Michael Paoli on Rockbox @ Henry's Hunan - 110 Natoma St. giveaways (CDs/DVDs, ...) Got venue? (projector/screen ...) Last meeting this year, & 2015 meeting dates volunteering to help BALUG (and add to your experience & resume!) Twitter https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org ------------------------------ For our 2014-11-18 BALUG meeting: We have a (mini-)presentation/demo from Michael Paoli on Rockbox[1][2]. Rockbox is free Open Source replacement firmware and software for many digital audio players. Rockbox offers many enhanced and additional capabilities not available on the firmware/software provided by these digital audio players. Michael will be providing demonstrations on a SanDisk Sansa Fuze[3] v2. A partial listing of just some of what Rockbox additionaly makes available on this device: audio channel configuration, many additional modes/settings: Karaoke, Stereo Width, Crossfeed EQ - 10 band, peak and high and low shelf filters, save/load presets dithering, timestretch, compressor sleep timer, alarmclock recording - 9 frequency settings, 4 file formats, file splitting by size/time, sound activation, gain & monitor volumes 124 themes, 98 fonts audio/recording metering 36 Games: frozen-bubble, chess, Mastermind, Doom, Go, maze, Pong, sliding puzzle, solitaire, sudoku, ... 21 apps: calculator, calendar, clock, md5sum, metronome, pitch detector, resistor, paint, stopwatch ... demos: oscilloscope, life, vu_meter text viewer, editor, (loadable UTF-8) virtual keyboard, Morse code input mode voice - talking audio menus music database - many additional views and can be customized dual boot, limit USB access, connect to USB & continue playing Note also that this is our last meeting this year (see also further below). 1. http://www.rockbox.org/ 2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockbox 3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sansa_Fuze So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to: rsvp at balug.org **Why RSVP??** Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help BALUG and our venue plan for the meeting and accommodations, so please let us know. 6:30pm Tuesday, November 18th, 2014 2014-11-18 Henry's Hunan Restaurant 110 Natoma St. (between 2nd & New Montgomery) San Francisco, CA 94105-3704 1-415-546-4999 http://www.henryshunanrestaurant.com/ Easy Transit/Parking Access: short walk from BART, MUNI, parking Trip planning: http://www.511.org/ Delicious Hunan cuisine and reasonably priced. Meeting Details... Cost/Dining: The meetings are always free, but dinner is not (unless you are our guest speaker, in which case we also treat you to dinner). For Henry's Hunan Restaurant, if folks are agreeable, we'll share and dine "family" style, and split up the costs, and typical cost per person including tax and tip (but not including beverages beyond complementary tea) would be in the $13.00 to $17.50 range, and commonly around $15.00 to $16.50. Cash may be preferred to ease splitting up the check. One can also specifically order the dish(es) one needs/prefers (e.g. for dietary considerations) - and we also commonly order some dish(es) that may meet various dietary considerations) (e.g. vegetarian, non-pork, ...). Please arrive by 7:00 P.M., we expect to order entrees at that time, and may order appetizer(s) and/or soup(s) anytime after 6:30 P.M. ------------------------------ We typically have various giveaway items at BALUG meetings. We'll likely have at least the below plus additional items. CDs/DVDs/ISOs, etc. - have a peek here: http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc We may also be able to "burn" images per request or copy to USB flash, etc. Donations of blank or +-RW media, USB flash, or funding thereof, also appreciated. See the above URL for details (and the inventory (qty.) of what we specifically have "burned" and available on-hand does also frequently change). ------------------------------ Last meeting this year, & 2015 meeting dates 2014-11-18 is our last meeting for 2014 (we'll skip December, as we typically do). For 2015, please note our meeting dates (almost always 3rd Tuesday): 2014-11-18 2014-12-16 2015-01-20 2015-02-17 2015-03-17 2015-04-21 2015-05-19 2015-06-16 2015-07-21 2015-08-18 2015-09-15 2015-10-20 2015-11-17 ... Be sure to check http://www.balug.org/ and/or watch our announcements for updates, location and details, etc. ------------------------------ Got venue? We can use your help on leads (and follow-up) for venue! Certainly feel free to discus on our "talk[1]" list. See also the earlier item[2] on our admin list that gives fair overview of what we're hopefully looking to find as for venue. We could certainly use a venue that works well for speakers/presenters (e.g. projector & screen), can handle fair sized crowds (to 30 or more, ideally to over 100 as we sometimes have), is reasonably economical and consistent across varying attendance sizes (e.g. same location or very close in part of same facility), and where dinner/food/beverages are either available at such a presentation facility, or very close by. IF YOU HAVE LEADS ON SPECIFIC VENUE(s) BE SURE TO DROP US A NOTE!: balug-contact at balug.org - and can of course also mention/discuss it on our "talk[1]" list. And much thanks for leads/contacts, useful ideas, follow-up on that, etc. that will get us to our future venue(s)! Henry's Hunan Restaurant - 110 Natoma St. can handle us well in most regards for dining and up to fair size crowd, but we have no screen/projector nor PA capabilities there, so for talks/presentations, only the less formal, smaller, and without projected "slides" would work there. (But in the meantime, the food there is really yummy!) We also expect to announce any and all venue changes reasonably well in advance (week(s) to month or more), so folks have reasonable time to prepare/adjust and aren't (too) "surprised" and so folks don't have last minute changes sprung on them. 1. http://lists.balug.org/listinfo.cgi/balug-talk-balug.org 2. http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-admin-balug.org/2014-July/001504.html ------------------------------ volunteering to help BALUG (and add to your resume/experience) Not only can you do useful and cool stuff volunteering to help BALUG, but it can also be a way to gain useful and practical experience, and could also be something to add to or round out one's resume. There a quite a variety of opportunities to help BALUG. Come talk to us at a meeting and/or drop us a note at: balug-contact at balug.org These opportunities may include, among other possibilities: o assist on speaker coordination/procurement, etc. o assist on publicity o chief/assistant cat herder o Linux Systems Administration (e.g. do/assist/learn, with/under some quite experienced and skilled Linux systems administrators). o webmaster, assistant webmaster, designer, graphic artist o archivist/history/retrieval/etc. o and other various/miscellaneous tasks BALUG "ought" to be doing or would be good to do (feel free to suggest ideas!) ------------------------------ Twitter - you can also follow BALUG on Twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org ------------------------------ Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org ------------------------------ From ivan-bad at 420.am Thu Nov 20 16:10:55 2014 From: ivan-bad at 420.am (Ivan Kohler) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 16:10:55 -0800 Subject: sign my new key in Tahoe this winter Message-ID: <20141121001052.GA12017@420.am> Hiya, So I have an old 1024-bit key on the keyring that needs to be replaced. I generated a new 4096-bit one, but no one has signed it yet. I live in Tahoe these days. Between moving, travel for work, and just work and life, I haven't been able to meet up with anyone and get my key signed. Since Tahoe is the far East Bay :) I figured I would ask folks to keep me in mind if you're up in my neighborhood to play in the snow this winter. Thanks (and think snow!) -- Ivan Kohler President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc. http://freeside.biz/ Debian GNU/Linux developer | CPAN author | cat person | ski addict From daniel at pocock.pro Mon Nov 24 09:46:36 2014 From: daniel at pocock.pro (Daniel Pocock) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 18:46:36 +0100 Subject: keysigning, Sunnyvale? Message-ID: <54736EFC.9070805@pocock.pro> Hi all, I've been in contact with a developer who works in the Sunnyvale area and is looking for a key signing opportunity. Is anybody living or working close to there? Regards, Daniel From asheesh at asheesh.org Tue Nov 25 22:36:32 2014 From: asheesh at asheesh.org (Asheesh Laroia) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 22:36:32 -0800 Subject: keysigning, Sunnyvale? In-Reply-To: <54736EFC.9070805@pocock.pro> References: <54736EFC.9070805@pocock.pro> Message-ID: Yeah! I'm happy to meet up for a keysigning. I'm going on vacation for a week out of the Bay Area, but I live in San Francisco, and can CalTrain around to get closer to Sunnyvale. Suggestion: * Fri 2014-12-05, 7:30 PM, eat + drink at Tied House, Mountain View, CA (which is easy for me to get to from Caltrain) If that works, I'll try to invite other people who are Bay Area-based and interesting/interested. If that doesn't work, then I'll spin the wheel again, or this person can make a suggestion! On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote: > > > Hi all, > > I've been in contact with a developer who works in the Sunnyvale area > and is looking for a key signing opportunity. > > Is anybody living or working close to there? > > Regards, > > Daniel > > -- > bad mailing list > bad at bad.debian.net > http://bad.debian.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bad > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jgrosch at mooseriver.com Tue Nov 25 22:53:17 2014 From: jgrosch at mooseriver.com (Josef Grosch) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 22:53:17 -0800 Subject: keysigning, Sunnyvale? In-Reply-To: References: <54736EFC.9070805@pocock.pro> Message-ID: <547578DD.9000608@mooseriver.com> There is always the SVLUG meeting on the first Wednesday of the month. They meet in Mountain View, which is the next town over from Sunnyvale. Their website (svlug.org) has the details about the meeting. Contact Rick Moen (rick at svlug.org) to get things setup. Josef On 11/25/14, 10:36 PM, Asheesh Laroia wrote: > Yeah! I'm happy to meet up for a keysigning. > > I'm going on vacation for a week out of the Bay Area, but I live in > San Francisco, and can CalTrain around to get closer to Sunnyvale. > > Suggestion: > > * Fri 2014-12-05, 7:30 PM, eat + drink at Tied House, Mountain View, > CA (which is easy for me to get to from Caltrain) > > If that works, I'll try to invite other people who are Bay Area-based > and interesting/interested. > > If that doesn't work, then I'll spin the wheel again, or this person > can make a suggestion! > > > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Daniel Pocock > wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > I've been in contact with a developer who works in the Sunnyvale area > and is looking for a key signing opportunity. > > Is anybody living or working close to there? > > Regards, > > Daniel > > -- > bad mailing list > bad at bad.debian.net > http://bad.debian.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bad > > > > > -- > bad mailing list > bad at bad.debian.net > http://bad.debian.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From itz at buug.org Sat Nov 29 15:13:49 2014 From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 15:13:49 -0800 Subject: Here we go: devuan Message-ID: <20141129151349.4914f140.itz@buug.org> https://devuan.org/ -- Please *no* private copies of mailing list or newsgroup messages. Rule 420: All persons more than eight miles high to leave the court. Local Variables: mode:claws-external End: From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu Sat Nov 29 16:01:32 2014 From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 16:01:32 -0800 Subject: Here we go: devuan In-Reply-To: <20141129151349.4914f140.itz@buug.org> References: <20141129151349.4914f140.itz@buug.org> Message-ID: <20141129160132.34422va42mj1kmz4@webmail.rawbw.com> Yes. But not planning to switch anytime soon. The installed base and number of distributions based upon devuan is thus far a quite low number. Keyring for devuan is also rather sparse so far. Not all forks succeed - especially longer term (and some also later merge). But if nothing else, forks often provide useful feedback/pressure to address whatever issues may have caused the fork to start with. Who knows, maybe this will turn out like some other operating systems and folks will mostly just skip one major version/release because they found it not sufficiently acceptable for that version/release. We shall see. No shortage of major differences of opinions ... and even "battle lines" - among various different init systems. What I keep wondering (and mentioned it at last BAD meeting), is what will this init stuff look like 5 to 10 years down the road - after all the dust has settled? > From: "Ian Zimmerman" > Subject: Here we go: devuan > Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 15:13:49 -0800 > https://devuan.org/ From itz at buug.org Sat Nov 29 17:27:51 2014 From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 17:27:51 -0800 Subject: Here we go: devuan In-Reply-To: <20141129160132.34422va42mj1kmz4@webmail.rawbw.com> References: <20141129151349.4914f140.itz@buug.org> <20141129160132.34422va42mj1kmz4@webmail.rawbw.com> Message-ID: <20141129172751.7d64885a.itz@buug.org> On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 16:01:32 -0800, "Michael Paoli" wrote: Michael> We shall see. No shortage of major differences of opinions Michael> ... and even "battle lines" - among various different init Michael> systems. What I keep wondering (and mentioned it at last BAD Michael> meeting), is what will this init stuff look like 5 to 10 years Michael> down the road - after all the dust has settled? If I thought this was just an init system war, I wouldn't care nearly as much. Even if I feel the mainstream view of history has unfairly maligned General Ludd, I don't think his approach is always applicable :) But it's about so much more. systemd project have a encompassing vision of personal computing that I cannot accept. Of course it is technically possible that systemd itself will be forked or reimplemented so you can use it as a new init system and drop the vision. (Some people are already working on that. [1]) But there are reasons why such a project will have as much or more difficulty gaining traction than a distro fork using one of the existing init systems. It is also possible that by the time dust has really settled I will be senile enough that it won't make a difference to me. [1] https://bitbucket.org/bcsd/uselessd -- Please *no* private copies of mailing list or newsgroup messages. Rule 420: All persons more than eight miles high to leave the court. Local Variables: mode:claws-external End: From lyz at princessleia.com Sun Nov 30 10:24:44 2014 From: lyz at princessleia.com (Elizabeth K. Joseph) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 10:24:44 -0800 Subject: Here we go: devuan In-Reply-To: <20141129151349.4914f140.itz@buug.org> References: <20141129151349.4914f140.itz@buug.org> Message-ID: On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > https://devuan.org/ My sentiments echo Michael's. Also, I'm very surprised and disappointed they chose to use a closed source tool (GitHub) for a code repository when so many open source tools for this exist. One of the things I really love about Debian's infrastructure is that it's all open source and largely managed in the open (anyone can apply to be part of the Debian System Administrators (DSA) team[0]). At least jenkins-debian-glue is open source. [0] https://dsa.debian.org/ -- Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph || Lyz || pleia2 From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu Sun Nov 30 11:43:29 2014 From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 11:43:29 -0800 Subject: Here we go: devuan In-Reply-To: References: <20141129151349.4914f140.itz@buug.org> Message-ID: <20141130114329.1303369isgzs43mo@webmail.rawbw.com> Thanks, I also like Ian's well calling out the point (which I'm quite aware of but failed to mention): "If" ... "this was just an init system"[1]. For better or worse, systemd has its hooks/fingers into the operating system well beyond being an init system, and conversely, many major software packages/systems are, for better or worse, making themselves highly and even inherently dependent upon systemd. So, in addition to all the major technical implications of going, or not going with systemd, there are also major design/philosophical issues[2] and differences, and feelings tend to run high on these matters. Not saying that Unix or GNU/Linux (or GNU/kFreeBSD or GNU/Hurd) necessarily always nor consistently sticks with such a design (e.g. Perl, Python, Linux kernel - many might argue those are significant counter-examples, at least in significant part), but such design, and/or lack thereof, or more specifically different design/approach - well, it's not only different in that regard, but a quite significant place for it to be in the operating system. Not necessarily saying that it's good nor bad - lots of valid pro/con arguments for going either direction, but either way, it's either a quite significant change, with various advantages and disadvantages, or something else - with another significant set of various advantages and disadvantages. And it's not been just Linux looking at and/or using significantly different init systems. Has also happened in the Unix/BSD space as well. I keep hoping this would just all "work itself out" more smoothly, and with less animosity and "battles". But, alas, sometimes hard decisions have to be made, and sometimes those are just about guaranteed to seriously ruffle some feathers. So, I "anxiously"/patiently anticipate what the longer-term future, 5 to 10 or more years out on this, will show us and what we will have learned by then. I also tend to wonder if we can usefully apply lessons from history to this, and avoid or reduce sub-optimal actions and choices. I'd also think/anticipate that some/many of devuan's early choices and infrastructure may be subject to quite significant change - as it seems (at least certainly compared to Debian) that they've really just barely started - quite to be expected of a new project/fork/distribution. Footnotes/references/excerpts: 1. http://bad.debian.net/pipermail/bad/2014-November/003655.html 2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy > From: "Elizabeth K. Joseph" > Subject: Re: Here we go: devuan > Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 10:24:44 -0800 > On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Ian Zimmerman wrote: >> https://devuan.org/ > > My sentiments echo Michael's. > > Also, I'm very surprised and disappointed they chose to use a closed > source tool (GitHub) for a code repository when so many open source > tools for this exist. One of the things I really love about Debian's > infrastructure is that it's all open source and largely managed in the > open (anyone can apply to be part of the Debian System Administrators > (DSA) team[0]). At least jenkins-debian-glue is open source. > > [0] https://dsa.debian.org/ > > -- > Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph || Lyz || pleia2