Here we go: devuan

[Tony Godshall]

On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Michael Paoli
<Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu> wrote:
> Thanks,
>
> I also like Ian's well calling out the point (which I'm quite aware of
> but failed to mention): "If" ... "this was just an init system"[1].
>
> For better or worse, systemd has its hooks/fingers into the operating
> system well beyond being an init system, and conversely, many major
> software packages/systems are, for better or worse, making themselves
> highly and even inherently dependent upon systemd.

I think at this point it is incumbent upon all of us to file bugs
anytime such a dependency impinges on us.  Those who cannot
use systemd are many, and as such dependency problems come
to light, debian maintainers will need to fix them.

...

> And it's not been just Linux looking at and/or using significantly
> different init systems.  Has also happened in the Unix/BSD space as
> well.  I keep hoping this would just all "work itself out" more
> smoothly, and with less animosity and "battles".  But, alas, sometimes
> hard decisions have to be made, and sometimes those are just about
> guaranteed to seriously ruffle some feathers.

Ruffling of feathers is the least of our worries, and putting
it in those terms is obnoxiously belittling.

...

If Debian is breaking things, people will look elsewhere.
Debian's been solid on server, while others have broken
things, and it would be a shame if Debian followed the
desktop into brokenness.  But I don't think it'll happen.
Debian has good feedback at bugs.debian.org, and
it'll be hard for core packages to adopt systemd without
regression bugs being filed.  IMHO systemd-requiring
packages will end up being limited to the kind of apps
that require Gnome3.  Ironically, Ubuntu (with its large
base of xubuntu and lubuntu and now ubuntu-mate users)
may become a force for core desktop sanity rather than
reckless change.  Assuming a typical ubuntu user can
learn to file a bug rather than complain on a random
message board.

All of the above in my humble opinion of course.
Inflammatory rhetoric not to be taken personally.

Tony