[buug] ANNOUNCE: EFF PVR Build-In, Saturday 12 March, 11AM

Tony Godshall Tony Godshall <togo@of.net>
Sun, 6 Mar 2005 15:53:08 -0800


> > [tony]
> > > Subject: [buug] Re: Anyone interested in doing a EFF PVR build-in?
> > > ... as described in...
> > >
> > > http://eff.org/broadcastflag/cookbook/buildin.php
> > >
> > > I can host a half dozen or so at my apt in Alameda.
> > > My cable brings in, I think, a couple of free HDTV
> > > channels, and we get 3Mbps.
> > >
> > > Alameda is not as handy as some places, but it's only
> > > a short bus ride from downtown SF or downtown Oakland.
> > > I'd happy go elsewhere too.
> > >
> > > If folks are interested, I'll announce a meeting for a
> > > Saturday following the BAD meeting.
> > 
> > [more tony]
> > Hi, folks.
> > 
> > PVR Build-In will be Saturday 12 March, 11AM at my
> > second-floor apartment in Alameda (two blocks West of
> > Webster, near shoreline).  My apartment is second floor 
> > and looks West, so I think we have a pretty good chance 
> > of picking up San Francisco HDTV stations.
> > 
> > EFF has confirmed that they are sending the EFF build-in kit:
> > 
> > * EFF hat and a few t-shirts
> > * Cool case stickers
> > * KnoppMyth ISO - a CD with the latest KnoppMyth distribution
> > * Print version of "Cooking with EFF: KnoppMyth and pcHDTV for DTV Liberation" 
> > 
> > I told them I have two RSVP's so I assume they are only
> > sending three T-shirts.  Let me know ASAP if you plan to
> > show and maybe they'll send more.
> > 
> > If you want it to be an HDTV PVR, you'll need to get 
> > a Linux-friendly HDTV tuner, such as the pcHDTV
> > (antenna-only) or Air2PC (antenna + unencrypted digital
> > cable).  EFF's instructions are for pcHDTV so that would
> > probably be simplest.  If you want to do Analog, that's fine
> > too- the cards typically do both cable and antenna.
> > 
> > EFF recommends a P4 at 3GHz+ with 800MHz FSB to record HDTV.
> > 
> >   http://www.eff.org/broadcastflag/cookbook/guide.php#requirements
> > 
> > HDTV tuner cards seem to be going fast, so order right away!
> > 
> > The priority will be to get EFF HDTV PVRs up and running but 
> > folks wanting to do analog are also welcome.  I believe the
> > EFF-supplied (KnoppMyth) CD supports has a pretty recent kernel 
> > device lib.  Lower spec computers are OK for Analog, especially 
> > if you have a card with hardware MPEG encoding.  See...
> > 
> >   http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.1
> > 
> > I have limited room, so you'll need to RSVP me if you plan
> > to come.

[Michael]
> This is the first I've heard of this, sounds really neat.
> 
> Anyone have an idea if you follow the general build-guidelines how
> many channels we're talking about? 

I don't know for sure.  The antenna selection site the EFF
references (antennaweb.org) predicted I could receive this
amazing list...

* red - uhf KCSM-DT 43.1  PBS SAN MATEO CA    248  9.4 43
  red - uhf KICU  36  IND SAN JOSE  CA    115  29.9  36
* red - uhf KICU-DT 36.1  IND SAN JOSE  CA    115  29.9  52
  red - uhf KKPX  65  PAX SAN JOSE  CA    136  51.6  65
* red - uhf KKPX-DT 66.1  PAX SAN JOSE  CA    220  10.1  41
  red - uhf KBHK  44  UPN SAN FRANCISCO   CA    248  9.4 44
* red - uhf KBHK-DT 44.1  UPN SAN FRANCISCO CA    248  9.4 45
  red - vhf KGO 7 ABC SAN FRANCISCO CA    248  9.4 7
* red - uhf KGO-DT  7.1 ABC SAN FRANCISCO CA    248  9.4 24
  red - vhf KTVU  2 FOX OAKLAND CA    248  9.4 2
* red - uhf KTVU-DT 2.1 FOX OAKLAND CA    248  9.4 56
  red - uhf KCNS  38  SAH SAN FRANCISCO CA    248  9.4 38
* red - uhf KCNS-DT 38.1  SAH SAN FRANCISCO CA    248  9.4 39
  red - uhf KSTS  48  TEL SAN JOSE  CA    114  29.3  48
* red - uhf KSTS-DT 48.1  TEL SAN JOSE  CA    114  29.3  49
* red - uhf KTEH-DT 54.1  PBS SAN JOSE  CA    115  30.0  50
  red - uhf KTLN  68  IND NOVATO  CA    312  31.1  68
* red - uhf KTLN-DT 47.1  IND NOVATO  CA    312  31.1  47
  red - uhf KFSF  66  TFA VALLEJO CA    248  9.4 66
* red - uhf KFSF-DT 66.1  TFA VALLEJO CA    248  9.4 34
  red - vhf KQED  9 PBS SAN FRANCISCO CA    248  9.4 9
* red - uhf KQED-DT 9.1 PBS SAN FRANCISCO CA    248  9.4 30
  red - uhf KMTP  32  IND SAN FRANCISCO CA    248  9.4 32
* red - uhf KMTP-DT 33.1  IND SAN FRANCISCO CA  FCC Ext 248  9.4 33
  red - vhf KRON  4 IND SAN FRANCISCO CA    248  9.4 4
* red - uhf KRON-DT 4.1 IND SAN FRANCISCO CA    248  9.4 57
  red - uhf KDTV  14  UNI SAN FRANCISCO CA    114  29.3  14
* red - uhf KDTV-DT 14.1  UNI SAN FRANCISCO CA    114  29.3  51
  red - uhf KTSF  26  IND SAN FRANCISCO   CA    220  10.2  26
* red - uhf KTSF-DT 26.1  IND SAN FRANCISCO CA    220  10.1  27
  red - uhf KBWB  20  WB  SAN FRANCISCO   CA    248  9.4 20
* red - uhf KBWB-DT 20.1  WB  SAN FRANCISCO CA    248  9.4 19
  red - vhf KPIX  5 CBS SAN FRANCISCO CA    248  9.4 5
* red - uhf KPIX-DT 5.1 CBS SAN FRANCISCO CA    248  9.4 29
  blue - vhf  KNTV  11  NBC SAN JOSE  CA    137  51.6  11
* blue - vhf  KNTV-DT 11.1  NBC SAN JOSE  CA    137  51.6  12
  blue - uhf  KRCB  22  PBS COTATI  CA    323  42.9  22
* blue - uhf  KRCB-DT 22.1  PBS COTATI  CA    323  42.9  23
  blue - uhf  KTEH  54  PBS SAN JOSE  CA    115  30.0  54
  violet - vhf  KCRA  3 NBC SACRAMENTO  CA    36 54.9  3
  violet - vhf  KVIE  6 PBS SACRAMENTO  CA    35 54.6  6
  violet - uhf  KSMS  67  UNI MONTEREY  CA    133  82.1  67
* violet - uhf  KSMS-DT 31.1  UNI MONTEREY  CA    135  57.4  31
  violet - uhf  KION  46  CBS MONTEREY  CA    141  92.8  46
  violet - uhf  KDTV-CA 28  UNI SANTA ROSA  CA    328  63.8  28
  violet - vhf  KXTV  10  ABC SACRAMENTO  CA    37 53.4  10
  violet - uhf  KAXT-CA 22  IND SANTA CLARA-SAN JOSE  CA    121  42.3  22
  violet - uhf  KMCE-LP 43  AZA SAN MARTIN, ETC.  CA    133  82.1  43
  violet - uhf  KTFK  64  SAH STOCKTON  CA    52 22.4  64
  violet - uhf  KFTY  50  IND SANTA ROSA  CA    328  64.9  50
  violet - uhf  KFTL-CA 28  IND SAN FRANCISCO, ETC  CA    115  30.0  28
  violet - vhf  KOVR  13  CBS STOCKTON  CA    37 53.4  13
  violet - vhf  KSBW  8 NBC SALINAS CA    133  82.1  8
  violet - uhf  KTNC  42  AZA CONCORD   CA    52 22.5  42
  violet - uhf  KCBA  35  FOX SALINAS   CA    133  82.2  35

The asterisks are digital.

However, plan use an indoor antenna, so the list could be 
way shorter.  But the signals are digitally encoded, so I would 
expect the image to be snow-free (if it comes in at all).
If someone brings an outdoor antenna to try (we can do a
temporary mount to the bannister), I'll try that too.

Part of my plan for the build-in for me is to play with the 
technology, tho it may turn out I return the antennas to
Best Buy and Radio Shack and stick to Alameda Power and Telecom 
for now.  But if I do start to use the pcHDTV right away, I figure 
I'll put a couple of analog tuners in my box too and have MythTV 
grab each show from the source that comes in best- Daily Show and 
Hitler Channel and Discovery from cable, broadcast networks in HDTV 
from antenna where possible and from analog cable where not.  I
ought to be able to get PBS from either- AP+T carries five KQED 
channels in (unencrypted, I hope) digital.  I would be surprised 
if their broadcast antennas produce anything different.  Actually, 
tho, I think when they run HDTV stuff, some or all of the non-HD 
digital channels go into "not available" status.

I do have a Motorola HDTV tuner/PVR provided by AP+T (for
$2/mo extra, what a deal!) for comparison, but I don't
subscribe to any of the premium channels.

Come to the Build In and find out the answer to your
question, or wait till it's over and you'll get a better
answer (at least for a second floor apartment in West Alameda 
near the waterline with line of sight to SF blocked by 2-story 
townhouses and trees and line of sight to SJ blocked by the
rest of the apartment building).

Tony