I'd be coming from San Francisco. I'm sure Rick Moen will be there and reasonably sure Nick Moffitt will. -- _Deirdre * http://www.linuxcabal.net * http://www.deirdre.net "Mars has been a tough target" -- Peter G. Neumann, Risks Digest Moderator "That's because the Martians keep shooting things down." -- Harlan Rosenthal <Harlan.Rosenthal@Dialogic.com>, retorting in Risks Digest 20.60